Transcript: Season 3 of TVO's #onpoli Podcast | Sep 06, 2019

Steve sits in the studio. He's slim, clean-shaven, in his fifties, with short curly brown hair. He's wearing a gray suit, white shirt, and spotted blue tie.

A caption on screen reads "Season three of the Hashtag OnPoli podcast. @spaikin, @theagenda."

Steve says TIME FLIES WHEN YOU'RE
HAVING FUN, AND SO IT'S A
SURPRISE EVEN TO ME TO SAY THAT
THE THIRD SEASON OF TVO's
hashtag Onpoli PODCAST IS ABOUT TO
DROP.
IF YOU'RE NOT IN THE LOOP ON IT
YET, WE'D LIKE TO REMEDY THAT.
WITH US NOW:
JOHN MICHAEL McGRATH, CO-HOST
WITH YOURS TRULY...

John Michael is in his forties, clean-shaven, with short, receding brown hair. He's wearing a black suit and a dark blue shirt.

Steve continues AND ERIC BOMBICINO, SERIES PRODUCER FOR THE hashtag Onpoli PODCAST.

Eric is in his early thirties, with short-cropped black hair and a boxed beard. He's wearing rounded glasses and a black shirt.

Steve continues I GATHER THAT'S PODCAST LINGO.
"IT'S ABOUT TO DROP."
IS THAT WHAT THEY SAY?

Eric says WE'RE PUBLISHING, WE'RE DROPPING IT.
IT'S AVAILABLE TO BE LISTENED TO ON THE 9TH.

Steve says THE GOOD PEOPLE
WATCHING MIGHT WANT TO KNOW,
GIVEN THIS IS THE THIRD SEASON,
WHAT DO WE HAVE THAT'S NEW?

The caption changes to "Covering the federal election."

Eric says WE ARE LEVELING UP ONE RUNG
OF GOVERNMENT.
THE hashtag Onpoli WILL BE COVERING
THE FEDERAL ELECTION.
WE HAVE LOTS OF EPISODES THAT
WILL AIR EVERY WEEK STARTING
MONDAY UNTIL THE ELECTION ON THE 21ST.

Steve says SO SEPTEMBER 9TH,
THE FIRST EPISODE DROPS, AND
THEN THEY DROP EVERY MONDAY
AFTER THAT.

Eric says INDEED.

Steve says DROPS.
OKAY.
I'VE GOT TO GET USED TO TO THIS.
JOHN MICHAEL, THE QUESTION I
WANT TO ASK FIRST AND FOREMOST,
WOULD YOU SAY DOING THE
hashtag Onpoli PODCAST WITH ME HAS
BEEN THE SINGLE GREATEST MOMENT
OF YOUR CAREER OR WHAT?

The caption changes to "John Michael McGrath. Co-Host."

John Michael says IT
HAS BEEN A RARE HONOUR AND A
PLEASURE, STEVE.

Steve says JUST THE RIGHT
ANSWER TO GIVE.
YES.
BUT SERIOUSLY, FOLKS...

John Michael says NO, BUT WE HAVE A LOT OF FUN
DOING THIS, I THINK IT'S SAFE TO
SAY.
WE GET TO TALK ABOUT STUFF THAT
WE DON'T NECESSARILY GET TO DO
ON THESE SHOWS, THAT I DON'T GET
TO DO WRITING FOR THE WEBSITE,
AND IT HAS BEEN BOTH EDUCATIONAL
AND A LOT OF FUN.

Steve says AMEN TO THAT.
WE'RE BOTH KIND OF NERDY BUT IN
DIFFERENT WAYS.
I KNOW A LOT OF ARCANE DATES IN
HISTORY AND THAT KIND OF STUFF
AND YOU'RE UP UNTIL 2 A.M.
READING THE PLANNING ACT EVERY DAY.

John Michael says SOMETIMES OTHER LAWS, TOO.

Steve says SHOULD WE PLAY A CLIP?

Eric says I NEED TO SET IT UP A LITTLE
BIT.
EVERY ELECTION THERE'S A BUNCH
OF NEGATIVE POLITICAL ATTACK ADS
AND EVERY YEAR WE ASK ARE THESE
WORSENING OUR DISCOURSE.
WE DON'T WANT TO LOOK AT THIS.
WE WANT TO LOOK AT THE NEW WAVE
OF ADVERTISERS, ADVOCACY GROUP,
ONE IS ONTARIO PROUD, AS WE KNOW
FROM THE PREVIOUS ELECTION IN
THIS PROVINCE, AND THEY'VE
TURNED THEMSELVES INTO CANADA PROUD.
NOW, THIS GROUP SHARES MEMES
ONLINE AND THEY HAVE A MASSIVE FOOTPRINT.
ALSO GROUPS ON THE LEFT,
NORTH 9 IS ONE OF THEM.
AND ONTARIO PROUD HAS LARGER
ENGAGEMENT ON FACEBOOK THAN SOME
OF THE BIGGEST NATIONAL MEDIA
NEWS OUTLETS IN THIS COUNTRY,
INCLUDING NATIONAL POST, GLOBE
AND MAIL, SO THEY'RE A BIG DEAL.

Steve says LET'S HEAR A
SNIPPET, SHALL WE?

John Michael says LET'S HEAR IT.

Steve says SHELDON, IF YOU WOULD.

Audio plays as a slate shows a picture of Steve and John Michael.

In the audio, Steve says
There's a lot less civilized dialogue among the different sides in our political debates. I regret that and I wonder how much you think you have contributed to that state of affairs?

A picture shows a bearded man in his thirties who sits in a radio booth with Steve.

A male voice says
Again, I think what's more dangerous is apathy. I think that's way worse. I'd rather have people fighting and coming to conclusions and having ideas and caring than not. We need people paying attention to politics.

Steve says Well, OK.

The man interrupts and says
And so, and if we're a bit shocking and if we're a bit abrasive and if we're a little bit loud, so be it. But we're a part of the political dialogue.

The clip ends.

Steve says YES, THEY ARE.
FIRE AWAY.

Eric says WE ALSO HAVE A LIVE SHOW
OCTOBER 6TH.
IT WILL BE AT THE HOT DOCS TED
ROGERS CINEMA.

The caption changes to "For more information: tvo.org/programs/onpoli."

Steve says ON BLOOR STREET IN
TORONTO.

Eric says PLEASE COME.
THESE TWO GENTS WILL BE LIVE ON
STAGE.

The caption changes to "Episode one available September 9."

Steve looks at John Michael as he points at Eric, then says IS HE GOING TO BE
LIVE ON STAGE WITH US?

John Michael says I DON'T WANT HIM.

Steve says YOU AND ME, JMM.
I KNOW WHAT HE DOES BECAUSE WE
CO-HOST THIS THING TOGETHER.
ERIC BOMBICINO, WHAT EXACTLY DO
YOU KNOW?

Eric says I'VE BEEN A PRODUCER ON THIS
SHOW FOR ABOUT SEVEN YEARS NOW.

Steve says I KNOW YOUR WORK.

The caption changes to "Eric Bombicino. Series Producer. @ebombicino."

Eric says I THINK SLOWLY BUT SURELY,
YOU'VE BEGRUDGINGLY COME TO
RESPECT ME.
I'M THE PODCAST PRODUCER.
I DO A BUNCH OF TASKS THAT ARE
BORING TO GET INTO.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT'S MOST
FUN IS EVERY HOUR WE SPEND AN
HOUR IN THAT COSY RECORDING
BUNKER AND, YES, WE TALK ABOUT
IMPORTANT ISSUES BUT WE DO HAVE
A LITTLE BIT OF FUN.
I PLAY HIP-HOP FOR YOU.
WHAT SONG DO I PLAY THAT'S
BECOME OUR ANTHEM?

Steve says HIP-HOP IS STILL NOT
EXACTLY MY THING, SO I'M
LEARNING ABOUT IT.

Eric says IT HAPPENED AFTER 1957.

Steve says WE ALWAYS PLAY SOME
TUNE BY AN ARTIST MADE MOS DEF.

Eric says IT'S MOB DEEP, ONE OF THE
GREAT TUNES OF THE 1990s, AND
I HAVE THE FIRST TIME STEVE
PAIKIN HAS EVER TRIED TO
FREESTYLE. SHELDON, IF YOU...
I'M KIDDING, WE DIDN'T DO IT.
THE LOOK ON YOUR FACE!

[LAUGHTER]

Steve says I WAS TERRIFIED.

Eric says WE COULD FREEZE FRAME THAT
AND PUT IT UP RIGHT NOW.
THAT WOULD BE FANTASTIC.

A frame of Steve gaping appears briefly on screen.

Steve says EXTREMELY WORRISOME.

Eric says THE OTHER THING I DO IN THE
BUNKER IS I PEPPER YOU GUYS WITH
DIFFERENT QUESTIONS.

Steve says YES, YOU DO.

Eric says OFF THE CUFF AND I THINK IT
BRINGS A COOL CHEMISTRY OUT OF
YOU.
LET'S DO IT RIGHT NOW.
I'VE GOT TWO QUESTIONS FOR YOU.
NEITHER OF YOU HAVE SEEN IT
BEFOREHAND, RIGHT?

Steve says NO, WE HAVE NOT.

Eric says FIRST QUESTION: WHAT WAS THE
BIGGEST TURNING POINT IN FEDERAL
ELECTION HISTORY?

Steve says EASY.
EASY.
A BLANK?
A BLANK?
THAT ONE'S EASY.
THAT ONE'S EASY BECAUSE EARLIER
THIS WEEK...

Eric says YOU'RE BUYING TIME WITH IT.

Steve says I'M NOT.
IT WAS THE 35th ANNIVERSARY OF
SAID MOMENT THIS WEEK.
THE BIGGEST MAJORITY GOVERNMENT
IN CANADIAN HISTORY ON SEPTEMBER
4TH... WHAT DAY WAS THAT?
WEDNESDAY.
WEDNESDAY.
35th ANNIVERSARY OF BRIAN
MULRONEY'S 211-SEAT MAJORITY
GOVERNMENT VICTORY, THE BIGGEST
OF ALL TIME, AND THE MOMENT
HAPPENED IN THAT LEADERS DEBATE
WHEN MR. MULRONEY REARED BACK
AND LOOKED AT JOHN TURNER, THE
LIBERAL LEADER.
HE SAID, YOU HAD AN OPTION, SIR.
THIS IS NOT GOOD FOR CANADA.
AND THAT MADE THE POLLS GO LIKE
THAT OVERNIGHT.
THAT'S MY ANSWER.

Eric says I HAVE A HUNCH HE MAY HAVE STOLEN YOURS.

The caption changes to "John Michael McGrath. TVO.org. @jm_mcgrath."

John Michael says NO, I WAS GOING TO SAY I
THINK THE 2011 FEDERAL
LEADERSHIP DEBATES WERE A BIG
TURNING POINT.
WE KNEW GOING INTO THAT ELECTION
THAT THE LIBERALS WERE NOT IN AN
INCREDIBLY STRONG POSITION, BUT
I THINK JACK LAYTON'S
PERFORMANCE IN THE FEDERAL
LEADERSHIP DEBATES REALLY
HASTENED THE RISE OF THE NDP
IN 2011.
YOU SAW THE MOVEMENT IN THE
POLLS AFTER THAT.

Steve says YOU KNOW WHAT THAT PROVES?
IT PROVES I'M 30 YEARS OLDER
THAN HIM BECAUSE I WENT FOR AN
EXAMPLE THAT'S 30 YEARS OLDER
THAN HIS.
LORRAINE, DO WE HAVE TIME FOR ONE MORE?

Eric says I'VE SAID THIS A LOT.
ELECTIONS SHOULD BE ABOUT
SUBSTANTIVE POLICY ISSUES.
IT'S NOT ABOUT HOW YOU FEEL
ABOUT A CANDIDATE.
IT'S ABOUT THE FACTS.
IT'S ABOUT THE FACTS...

Steve says TOTALLY DISAGREE.

Eric says SHOULD ELECTIONS BE
FUNDAMENTALLY ABOUT POLICY?
I DO HEAR THIS A LOT.

Steve says ELECTIONS SHOULD BE
ABOUT WHATEVER THE ELECTORATE
WANTS THEM TO BE ABOUT.
IF THEY WANT THEM TO BE HEAVY ON
POLICY, AS THE 1988 ELECTION WAS
ON FREE TRADE, THAT'S FINE.
IF THEY WANT THEM TO BE ABOUT,
WHO DO I GET THE SENSE IS FOR
ME, WHO DO I GET THE SENSE I CAN
TRUST, WHO DO I THINK WILL BE
THERE FOR ME WHEN THE CHIPS ARE
DOWN... THAT'S OKAY TOO.
THE PEOPLE SAY.

John Michael says YEAH, I AGREE.
I THINK... LOOK.
I'M A POLICY NERD KIND OF GUY.
IF I COULD DECLARE THAT EVERY
ELECTION WOULD BE ABOUT
IMPORTANT POLICY DEBATES, I
THINK I'D HAVE A LOT OF FUN AS A
REPORTER, BUT I DON'T GET TO DO THAT.
AND I THINK REPORTERS SHOULD BE
HUMBLE IN TRYING TO DECLARE WHAT
PEOPLE SHOULD AND SHOULDN'T CARE ABOUT.

Steve says YEAH.
I LIKE THAT ANSWER.
HOW DO PEOPLE PICK UP THIS
PODCAST IF THEY WANT TO LISTEN
TO IT ANYWAY?

John Michael says THEY CAN GO TO OUR WEBSITE AT TVO.org/PROGRAMS/Onpoli.

A slate appears on screen with a picture of Steve interviewing a bald man. The slate reads "How to listen: tvo.org/programs/onpoli, subscribe to the hashtag onpoli podcast on Apple products, Google Play, Spotify, Your favourite podcast app."

John Michael says OR YOUR BETTER BET IS TO
SUBSCRIBE ON APPLE PODCAST,
GOOGLE PLAY, SPOTIFY, OR YOUR
FAVOURITE PODCAST SPOT.

The caption changes to "Producer: Eric Bombicino, @ebombicino."

Steve says THAT'S IT GUYS. THANKS
SO MUCH. THAT'S JOHN MICHAEL
McGRATH, CO-HOST OF THE hashtag Onpoli
PODCAST, AND ERIC BOMBICINO,
SERIES PRODUCER. THANKS.

Both guests say THANKS.

Watch: Season 3 of TVO's #onpoli Podcast